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曲中求
发表于 2007-9-11 20:43:16 | 显示全部楼层

回复 29楼 david_sg 的帖子

不仅是spy的归类问题,而且Trojan的也同样有这样的问题。。。。当然,从归类的性质上讲,spy有按等级归类的问题,而trojan甚至一家认为是,一家却认为不是。。。

言归正传,有讨论才有气氛。

cheers
曲中求
发表于 2007-9-11 20:45:06 | 显示全部楼层

回复 30楼 solcroft 的帖子

横看成岭侧成峰,远近高低各不同,你的看法没错,其实也就是说,你对我们各自的观点的看法和理解又是另外一个问题,所以,问题之所以为“问题”,是因为“问题”本身是问题。

我相信我前面的第一贴的那句话本身是OK的。因为那句话是俺说的,而符合俺的实际情况。

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solcroft
发表于 2007-9-11 21:18:24 | 显示全部楼层

回复 32楼 曲中求 的帖子

那如果把所有的说话都辩解说是“个人看法“,是不是所有的人都可以横言无忌了?

Adware/spyware infection统计数字不难找,随便到搜索引擎或技术论坛的Hijackthis版块看看都可以找到。如果是为了面子问题,被人家反驳了自己的荒唐说法后才来辩解说只是自己的个人看法,其实也不关我事,但身为版主希望你能不要误导新人,至少补上几句比较符合事实的话澄清一下,免得新人当真,自己的杀软对付不了ad/spyware也不加以理会,导致中招

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曲中求
发表于 2007-9-11 21:29:03 | 显示全部楼层

回复 33楼 solcroft 的帖子

我已经说了,这个是你的看法,当初在样本区,俺还不是因为一个错误向一个大大学习了,这个都是大家有目共睹的,错的为什么要说成正的?

而且,如果你要说个人看法,所有人可以横言无忌的话,那可不是我说的。

论坛一词,从词源上看是什么性质?从当代网络看又是什么性质?何谓误导?我有叫你听我的?

我只是说我个人情况而已,有何不妥?32楼我说的话,你听懂了没有?

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solcroft
发表于 2007-9-11 21:49:06 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 曲中求 于 2007-9-9 16:01 发表
能中AD和SPY的机率几乎是0

http://weblog.infoworld.com/techwatch/archives/006257.html
http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/n ... ackers-wake-malware
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ne ... malware-says-study/
http://www.mediabuzz.com.sg/e-ma ... ace-of-spyware.html
https://www.csialliance.org/resource/csiadatacompilation/
如果你的个人看法是“能中AD和SPY的机率几乎是0”,那我只能说你和大多数的人活在不同的现实里
如果你的个人情况是“能中AD和SPY的机率几乎是0”,那不妨多多分享你的措施,我想这对很多人都会有很大的帮助,而不是仅仅随便说一些荒唐的话来误导新人,被别人反驳后才来加以辩解

原帖由 曲中求 于 2007-9-11 22:59 发表
何谓误导?我有叫你听我的?

乖乖不得了,身为版主,说话却这么强词夺理,对自己的言语半点责任感都没有

[ 本帖最后由 solcroft 于 2007-9-11 23:24 编辑 ]
The EQs
发表于 2007-9-11 21:57:15 | 显示全部楼层
eset对spyware和adware的解释
Adware
A type of Advertising Display Software, specifically certain executable applications whose primary purpose is to deliver advertising content potentially in a manner or context that may be unexpected and unwanted by users. Many adware applications also perform tracking functions, and therefore may also be categorized as Tracking Technologies. Some consumers may want to remove Adware if they object to such tracking, do not wish to see the advertising caused by the program, or are frustrated by its effects on system performance. On the other hand, some users may wish to keep particular adware programs if their presence subsidizes the cost of a desired product or service or if they provide advertising that is useful or desired, such as ads that are competitive or complementary to what the user is looking at or searching for. (Source: Anti-Spyware Coalition)
     
Spyware
The term Spyware has been used in two ways.
In its narrow sense, Spyware is a term for Tracking Software deployed without adequate notice, consent, or control for the user.
Often the tracking is done by reporting information (anything from browsing history to credit-card or personal details) to a third party.
Some Spyware is delivered as part of another program (much the same way as a Trojan Horse), but some is delivered as a payload to a worm, or via websites which exploit vulnerabilities in browsers to silently install the programs in the background. There are also many programs which pretend to be Anti-Spyware programs, but are themselves Spyware. (http://www.spywarewarrior.org for a list of rogue AS and AV programs)
In its broader sense, Spyware is used as a synonym for what the Anti-Spyware Coalition calls “Spyware and Other Potentially Unwanted Technologies.” This can include some types of cookies, commercial keyloggers and other tracking technologies.
曲中求
发表于 2007-9-11 21:59:37 | 显示全部楼层

回复 35楼 solcroft 的帖子

不是没有责任感,恰恰是你根本不知道论坛一词的词源。

我已经说了,问题之所以为“问题”,是因为“问题”本身是问题。

俺早说了,没有绝对干净的东西,所以俺的一句话当中,就根本没有绝对的概念。你仔细看清楚了。


词源根本不知道,后面那句你又没看懂,没得说,over,不回了,随你说,呵呵!

曲中求
发表于 2007-9-11 22:02:27 | 显示全部楼层
最后讲一个故事吧:

一个画家在画画,一个农民在看画家画,画家天天画,农民天天看,有一天,农民问:你在画什么?,画家曰:树!农民再问:树在那里你画什么?。。。。。。。

到此结束。

The EQs
发表于 2007-9-11 22:04:28 | 显示全部楼层
AVIRA的解释



Adware
Adware is software that presents banner ads or in pop-up windows through a bar that appears on a computer screen. Those advertising spots usually can't be removed and are consequently always visible. The connection data allow many conclusions on the usage behavior and are problematic in terms of data security




Spyware
Spyware are so called spy programs that intercept or take partial control of a computer's operation without the user's informed consent. Spyware is designed to expolit infected computers for commerical gain. Typical tactics furthering this goal include delivery of unsolicited pop-up advertisements. AntiVir is able to detect this kind of software with the category "ADSPY" or "adware-spyware".





Kaspersky对spyware的解释

The ASC [Anti-Spyware Coalition] drafted a definition of “spyware” in August 2005. The ASC defines “spyware and other potentially unwanted technologies” as those that “impair users’ control over material changes that affect their user experience, privacy, or system security; use of their system resources, including what programs are installed on their computers; or collection, use, and distribution of their personal or otherwise sensitive information.”
“Spyware” is something of a grey area, so there’s no copy-book definition for it. However, as the name suggests, it’s often loosely defined as software that is designed to gather data from a computer and forward it to a third party without the consent or knowledge of the computer’s owner. This includes monitoring key strokes, collecting confidential information (passwords, credit card numbers, PIN numbers, etc.), harvesting e-mail addresses, or tracking browsing habits. There’s a further by-product of spyware where such activities inevitably affect network performance, slowing down the system and thereby affecting the whole business process.
The reason “spyware” is such a grey area is that it is really just a catch-all term for a wide assortment of malware-related programs, rather than a defined category. Most “spyware” definitions apply not only to “adware”, “pornware” and “riskware” programs, but also to many Trojan programs: Backdoor Trojans, Trojan Proxies and PSW Trojans. Such programs have been around for almost 10 years, when the first AOL password stealers appeared. However, at this time the term “spyware” had not yet been used.
Another reference to spyware is “Adware”. In this case, spyware can exist in the form of malicious backdoor programs that open up ports, initiate an ftp server, or collect keystroke information and transmit it back to the attacker. Spyware can exist in the form of legal (and acceptable) commercial applications that give network administrators a great deal of power both over what they can affect, and see happening on managed systems.
Although such programs are not new, their use for malicious purposes has increased in recent years and they have received much greater attention, both from the media and from “spyware”-only vendors.

solcroft
发表于 2007-9-11 22:06:58 | 显示全部楼层
我只照证据,事实说话,既然遇见了一个只管东拉西扯,偷换概念,不肯讨论正题的人,自然也只好闪了...
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