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[讨论] 关于汉化争论的浅析

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woai_jolin
发表于 2008-1-26 11:49:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 stonejr 于 2008-1-26 11:45 发表

别说我欺负你.自己看吧
http://www.kpfans.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=51657&extra=&page=1

多久的事情了 2007-2-12
solcroft
发表于 2008-1-26 11:53:46 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 stonejr 于 2008-1-26 13:02 发表
你长眼睛了吗?没看我上面说了做的免杀过了卡巴,红伞,NOD?从我哪句话理解出红伞对免杀强了?

看来你还没糊涂的透,懂得承认了都一样是垃圾
只可惜你之前把话吹得太大了,现在为了面子问题只好瞎说到底了
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发表于 2008-1-26 11:56:15 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 solcroft 于 2008-1-26 11:47 发表

六年前的瑞星?
吹得够厉害的,轮到要动手干事的时候马上缩头缩尾 你这一类的人够典型的了
狗叫山不倒啊

随便找了个木马改个文件头瑞星就不认识,这种渣杀软配你这种渣刚好.慢慢用.
你怎么吠也影响不了红伞.不用一再跟我说

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solcroft
发表于 2008-1-26 11:56:55 | 显示全部楼层

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还只顾吹?

也顺便说说看我什么地方损了红伞
只是某人崇拜的免杀原来只是垃圾,而他自己不开心罢了

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发表于 2008-1-26 12:00:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 solcroft 于 2008-1-26 11:53 发表

看来你还没糊涂的透,懂得承认了都一样是垃圾
只可惜你之前把话吹得太大了,现在为了面子问题只好瞎说到底了

眼睛长P股上了,睁大你的狗眼看清楚.
原帖由 stonejr 于 2008-1-25 21:45 发表

这为有点太过乐观了,上个月样本区有人放出了一系列的红伞免杀鸽子..只能说,免杀太NB了.
http://bbs.kafan.cn/viewthread.php?tid=167186
原帖由 stonejr 于 2008-1-25 23:48 发表

MF和CICI都做过免杀,NOD32的反应速度如何你也是知道.如果他们真是干这行的,你敢说用NOD的人没事?做的免杀结果确实是都过了(红伞,卡巴,NOD),还想证明什么?他们又不是做专业木马的,放不放是另一回事.


在免杀面前,卡巴和红伞一样挂,只不过卡巴和红伞都更新得很快.NOD呢?做肉鸡吧.懂我意思吗?脑残儿童

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xhdtml
发表于 2008-1-26 12:01:11 | 显示全部楼层
我个人支持汉化  虽然那几个单调我看得懂。但毕竟有很多看不懂的人啊  谁让官方不出中文版啊。
The EQs
发表于 2008-1-26 12:01:27 | 显示全部楼层

Folks, keep in mind that those AV Tests (no matter from whom!) only gives you a briefly OVERVIEW. A OVERVIEW supposed to be including *ALL DIFFERENT USERTYPES* To get your own "perfect" AV Test the approach would be as follows:
You write down in a paper:
1. Your Operating System (That the tester knows what platform he has to test)
2. All your installed Software (That the tester knows what types of additional application data you can use) Example: If you DON'T have Excel/Word or something similar installed the chance is much lower that you get infected by a XLS (Excel) file that contains a virus since you have no application to "activate" this virus. You'd have this virus on your system but it would be "harmless" on your system. Not nice, especially if u intent to share that file but still *YOU* won't be affected by it.
3. Most of the Malware comes via Internet Surfing / Emails / Exploits
That said the tester needs to know *YOUR* Internet behavior. For someone who does daily P2P downloads the "optimal" test looks COMPLETELY different from the test the tester had to perform for a normal office workstation. Another example: If you play World of Warcraft you'd be pissed to maximum when you find out that your av missed a WoW trojan and your gaming account got hacked and your character is naked and nearly 2 years of raiding time in instances are "gone". That wouldn't be such a big drama on another machine were no WoW is running. THAT BOILS DOWN TO THE (ONLY VALID ONE!) CONCLUSION: The IMPORTANT virus is *ALWAYS* the virus that affects your own system in a negative way.
AND NO ANTIVIRUS TESTER IN THE WHOLE WORLD CAN DETERMINE THAT IN AN OVERALL TEST FOR *YOUR* SYSTEM. Period. Those tests are made to cover "as much as possible" users, but they DON'T reflect the best av program for *YOUR* personal use!
You have ofc a higher chance that a program that covers more viruses in overall detection also detects this specific virus you have to deal with. BUT (and that is no joke!) sometimes a av program that scores medium results in such tests would be the better choice for *YOUR* personal requirements.
If you play MMOG (Online Games such as WoW etc) your best choices would be Microsoft / F-Prot and 2 other av programs. As for Microsoft and F-Prot i can confirm that. I do know MS guys from the lab which are playing WoW (They play alliance ) and i know who from our viruslab plays it  And yes, i play myself a Blood Elf Rogue in Gladiator Set  So it's most likely that we encounter such malware (and spend attention to it!) as soon as we hear/see something. We do not put highest priority on it, but it gets included since several employees have a "personal" interest in it  RISING Antivirus from china otoh has a terrible good detection with LINEAGE trojans. No wonder, that is in china more popular then WoW and most of the trojans are written in china/korea for it.
FIND A WAY TO SUM UP YOUR BEHAVIOR/SYSTEM and find the suitable AV for it! That's YOUR job and not the antivirus testers!



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发表于 2008-1-26 12:05:51 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 woai_jolin 于 2008-1-26 11:49 发表

多久的事情了 2007-2-12

现在viking早已不流行了吧...
solcroft
发表于 2008-1-26 12:12:23 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 stonejr 于 2008-1-26 13:30 发表
眼睛长P股上了,睁大你的狗眼看清楚.

大家都一样是垃圾,有什么好说的?
或许是有些人的自我优越感在作祟吧,自己用的杀软质和其他人用的没差多少,他就要来不高兴
红伞又不是你做出来的,不是你父亲,爷爷做出来的,这等心胸又何必呢?

原帖由 stonejr 于 2008-1-26 13:30 发表
在免杀面前,卡巴和红伞一样挂,只不过卡巴和红伞都更新得很快.NOD呢?做肉鸡吧.懂我意思吗?脑残儿童

先是吹牛,现在是辱骂,哎...
我说过了,厂商真的想更新的话只不过是数秒钟的事情,eset快过卡巴红伞也不是前所未有
真正有威胁性免杀和垃圾遗业免杀,无法入库和不屑入库的差别也分不清楚的话,我也没什么好说的了
在等着某人把我这个只安装nod32的人当肉鸡...
solcroft
发表于 2008-1-26 12:17:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 mofunzone 于 2008-1-26 05:31 发表
你要有本事关掉你的hips,光开nod运行我制定的文件,我不反对你做我的肉鸡
最近电信营业厅的肉鸡满多的,一看全是nod32,想办法做一个局域网的东西,直接通过局域网传播

说真的,想想回来又有什么意思
你也光开antivir,不安装其它安全软件运行我制定的文件,当我的肉鸡吧
可是能证明得了什么?
杀软厂商来跟着你玩这种孩子气的游戏?
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